Presto 6N guidance suggestions? (piecing together)

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Re: Presto 6N guidance suggestions? (piecing together)

Post: # 27285Unread post markrob
Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:02 am

Hi,

That looks to be an indcutor (only two leads connected. Not sure why. Does the motor rating plate show that its a 120Vac unit?

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Post: # 27286Unread post MBL
Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:17 am

Right. It seems to be acting almosts as a filter choke. Its the standard Bodine motor 115vac as far as I can tell.
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Post: # 27287Unread post tragwag
Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:37 pm

yes,
I have an old and new 6N, one has the large ball bearing,
the other has something in the TT shaft like you said.
But it also has a smaller ball bearing at the bottom too, as if the two bearings rotate on each other.

Also, I believe the transformer is for the microscope.
The older 6N I have, has a transformer to supply 6.3V to the microscope from the motor power.
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Post: # 27288Unread post MBL
Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:51 pm

Ah...That makes sense. Microscope light bulb. Rats, well I don't have the microscope. Oh well. Perhaps one day I'll get one.
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Post: # 27292Unread post MBL
Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:23 am

This morning I am making the missing brackets from the first table based on the brackets from the second. We'll se how it goes.

While I'm at it, I plan on getting the wiring for the motors correct. So. I have two Bodine motors. Each appears to have four wires coming from it. But the fabric is so old you can't tell the color. Any ideas?

Also, I am curious of the diameter for the pully. I think one motor I have is set up with a 45 speed as the smaller diameter is bigger on one pulley than the other. Any measurements out there for these?
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Post: # 27293Unread post MBL
Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:01 am

Ok this might help solve the motor wiring mystery. The motor is completely disconnected at the moment. Across two of the wires I read about 22.2ohms. Across the other two wires I read about 135ohms. So one is likely reading the field and the other the arm right? Any suggestions from that? I will likely have blade crimps in there so I can swap things around a bit, but Id like to know a good place to start.
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Post: # 27298Unread post powerstrip
Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:49 pm

This project is ROLLING!

hey what type of head is that on the micro engineering table? Looks like a westrex but different

Good for you the collection looks intense!

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Post: # 27299Unread post MBL
Sat Sep 28, 2013 4:08 pm

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Making some bracketry for the table that was missing it. Coming along ok. A few snags but I think it will work.
The head in question I believe is an Olsen head.

I also think that I have the wiring for the motor.

The resistance across lead 1 and 2 is 22ohms. The resistance across lead 3 and 4 is 130ohm.

I connect lead 1 and 3 together and those in turn to one blade of 115vac. Lead 2 goest to one side of the 3.75uf cap and lead 4 goes to the other side of the 3.75uf cap but is also connected to the other 115vac blade via the switch. Sound right? I think I have a 50 50 chance of the motor going the right direction when I do this...me thinks.
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Post: # 27308Unread post MBL
Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:38 pm

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A little more bracket progress. Gotta weld the spacers in place. Probably get to that this week.
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Post: # 27404Unread post MBL
Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:48 am

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Little more progress. Welded the spacers on for the home-made bracket. Did some cutting and grinding too. I think its close enough to work.
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Post: # 28007Unread post MBL
Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:19 pm

So here's a slight update. I found some vintage push button switches to be used in place of the toggle. I read somewhere that some of the later lathes actually used a pushbutton instead.

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Now the button needs to be depressed all the way for it to be on, which is a little problematic because one side pitches up when the arm is locked. But I will mess with it some to figure out the best adjustment.
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Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:39 pm

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Change of plans on the switch. This momentary toggle is right on the money.
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Re: Presto 6N guidance suggestions? (piecing together)

Post: # 28206Unread post Steve E.
Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:29 am

That looks more like the right idea. Does it spring back to center on its own? If so, that's your baby.

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Post: # 28212Unread post MBL
Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:39 am

Yup, it took me a bit to find switches that I liked. It seems that the switch that is an on-off-on momentary is a good option because the resting position is straight up and down. You have to make sure the momentary switch you choose is pushed far enough to close the circuit. I have done this with both tables, and I'm confident that it should work.
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Post: # 28275Unread post MBL
Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:26 am

Ok, so I have wired up the what happened to be the second table to see if the motor would go. And it did. I have to replace the resto of the stuff that hold the lever in place.
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Post: # 28572Unread post MBL
Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:22 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJAW7RKoU8w&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I know, I know...not lathe related. Presto related though. Since the goal is to cut records from old equipment start to finish, I have also been working on getting the Presto reel to reel machines going. Got decent playback on this one so far. Need to get the record and erase calibrated.
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Post: # 28574Unread post tragwag
Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:08 am

excellent!!
I hope to get mine working someday as well, I love the idea of an era proper recording setup to lathe
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Post: # 28754Unread post MBL
Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:12 am

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Variaced up the signal gen! Time for some fine tuning of the decks etc. We need come very clean stuff for cutting is my guess.
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Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:40 pm

Been a while since I've posted, but I have made some more progress. The Collins 212A-1 Broadcast Console is more or less ready to rock, and I have now added an Ampex 350 to the studio. Here is my poorly staged Sam Phillips pic!

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Just havin' fun.
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