QRP bringing additional presses online...

Once you have cut a master laquer, you have metal stampers created and have records pressed from them. Discuss manufacturing here. (Record Matrix Electroforming- Plating, Vinyl Record Pressing.)

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Post: # 34016Unread post mossboss
Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:41 am

Fantastic
Another 13 times x $20-30K each To get them into production
4 tonne per hour steam boiler and cooling system to suit them
An educated guess will be around the Cool $500-600 K before they are in production plus the purchase price which I would have thought be around the $250K + mark
Touching the 1 Million with bits and pieces Time taken etc etc etc
Not for people with a faint heart one would have thought
Still it is great to see people who can see a future in the "dead Format"
Cheers
Chris

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Post: # 34020Unread post ichigoK27
Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:17 pm

Amazing to see so much money in old presses.
Lot of passion to convince people to invest in old slow presses. I'm surprised !

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Post: # 34021Unread post opcode66
Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:55 pm

Is there a modern fast way to press records that we are all unaware of???? Do share.
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Post: # 34026Unread post mossboss
Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:22 am

Mmmmm new way of making a record?
Well none of which I am aware of
When the format was king lots of attempts where made to do away with steam the biggest issue
Injection molding was probably the most successful from all attempts, but production of singles was as far as it went.
Albums or 12" although attempts to produce them where made were not successful.
The attempts went on in many countries all over the world
Markrob has pointed a low temperature process here but for reasons unknown was never adopted across the industry.
Have no doubt that the plastic processing industry was in any way behind in technology or innovation in the 70's or the early 80's.
There's no doubt that majors had a very lucrative gig which certainly had some effect on innovation it ain't broken don't fix it.
Even as late as the CD video disc it was produced using the same process.
Even right now there are rumors of new machines to be, yet, by various people who have some notion of improving on the coining method used for over a century
However that remains to be seen.
Point:
As we all know our friends at GZ just installed a perfect copy of the US made manual Hamilton press
Its numbered 26 that's equal to 52 single press all installed there plus a number of auto presses.
I have no doubt that these people with the resources available to them would have invested in "old technology" if there was an alternative
Argh Forgot, the Germans will insist its a copy of the TTT well that is not so as TTT copied the Hamilton press first.
Yes I know there is already a thread on this point
Further:
Unless one is already in the industry it is hard to envisage any one investing in new gear even if it was available
No doubt press manufacturers are watching very carefully to establish if there is a market there
So far not a squeak out of them, there are plenty of them out there worldwide
Lets be realistic the average price for a pressed 12" record is around the $1.20 mark with around the $.60 going into raw material and energy
The balance has to pay for all other cost including a margin
Hard to see how any one will pay the 250K plus for a new machine to start up
A simple search on published prices for existing plants will reveal auxiliary charges in the process so there is some margin, Inserts, labels, packing, shrink wrapping etc etc etc
However a strict pressing operation cannot justify this kind of investment as the return is just not there
Existing plants with almost zero value on existing equipment can and will remain in the game as well as new comers since they paid little for the old beast's or the finer ones
Not so long ago people would almost pay you to remove them from their premisses
Now days every one wants to jump on the gravy train before they do the numbers
Once the accountants get on the subject is a blank NO
So here we are guys It is what it is, and when a new method comes out, well it will go nowhere if the current price structure remains as it is today
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Chris

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Post: # 34038Unread post ichigoK27
Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:27 pm

it's true. I do not know, maybe now last hydrolic presses consume less power and
faster maybe a better pump motor... and other, certainly calculate the return...
there are some crazy specimen in France, young people begin a record pressing plant,
they go on the forum apparently they were spotted
http://www.mcommusique.com/
http://www.entreprises.ouest-france.fr/article/musique-antoine-mickael-ouvrent-usine-vinyles-02-01-2015-182223
and others who want to manufacture prototype of their records press
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Yellow-Record-Press/924651397545458
many dreamers here...

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Post: # 34040Unread post markrob
Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:41 pm

Hi,

Actually, the Cook process is low pressure, not low temperature. About 250 psi is all that is needed. The process was used by Cook back in the 60's and 70's to make records but never was adopted by anybody else as far as I know. I'm sure that this process could be reintroduced for short run pressing if somebody takes the time to understand the process and builds it. I would think it would be at least an order of magnitude less expensive to produce a Cook press as compared with a traditional press.

Mark

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Post: # 34060Unread post Aussie0zborn
Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:27 am

Some of those presses that QRP just bought look like manual machines.

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Post: # 34077Unread post andybee
Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:29 am

ha, yes, the yellow press!
when you have a look at the drawings at facebook, you see, that
you have to disasemble the hole press, to remove the moulds...
so, it looks like a beginner project to me....

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Post: # 34079Unread post ichigoK27
Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:27 pm

Aussie0zborn wrote:Some of those presses that QRP just bought look like manual machines.
Yes, a few, is true


andybee wrote:ha, yes, the yellow press!
when you have a look at the drawings at facebook, you see, that
you have to disasemble the hole press, to remove the moulds...
so, it looks like a beginner project to me....

I do not think they have fun showing their real project... or really crazy :shock:

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Post: # 34241Unread post mossboss
Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:35 pm

Well the yellow press i suggest is a nice dream, may be it comes to reality
These people are looking for partners to fund the project
Micka35 suggested new press with bells and whistles, but so far zilch lt remains in limbo
The guys in Germany suggested a new design as well but they still looking at 50 yo designs asking to see an alpha piston design
So here we are
Considering the existing state of this niche industry using old gear from the 60's and 80's delivering reasonable results one can not be anything but surprised
The people who stuck it out are there any other newcomers picking up gear putting to work are doing a good job as well
Now we have demand exceeding production capacity every one wants in
Well nothing wrong with that however they want in at the lowest cost possible which does not leave room for new gear at current estimated cost
Donny Eastman offers new smt presses at $197k his order book is not quite full yet
We also hear noises at around the $60k mark as well so far nothing from that front either
My guess is that around the $140-150 k is closer
The realiity is, pressing alone its a good way to go bust at the current prices offered by the industry generally
The margin is made on cutting and galvanics pressing been the means to that end
Back to front really
Cheers
Chris

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Post: # 34375Unread post rsimms3
Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:32 pm

Video from local news station:

http://m.kwch.com/news/salina-record-company-expected-to-grow/31873658

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Post: # 34594Unread post andybee
Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:22 am

I can´t see any extruder ?
good luck to them for the restauration!

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