Electroplating & DMM

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Electroplating & DMM

Unread postby Dub Studio » Wed May 17, 2017 3:52 am

Excuse my ignorance, just looking for a bit of clarity here. I am told that DMM saves electroplating so many times. Is this true even if you just want one set of stampers for a few hundred pressings?

From what I gather, its necessary to create a father, then a mother, then stampers. But if you are only needing one set of stampers, are all these steps still needed?
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Re: Electroplating & DMM

Unread postby Aussie0zborn » Wed May 17, 2017 9:06 am

Here's how it works. The blank DMM disc is a stainless steel disc with copper electroplated over the face. The back side is bare stainless steel.

The grooves are cut into the copper coated disc. This disc now serves as the mother. You can play it and then make direct stampers from it ("shells"). Make as many stampers as you want from it (as long as you don't damage it).

When you're finished with that title, strip the copper off and put the stainless steel disc back into the copper electroplating tank and make a new blank DMM disc.

As you can see, there is no silvering and no need to make a mother because the cut DMM disc already serves as the mother.
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Re: Electroplating & DMM

Unread postby Dub Studio » Wed May 17, 2017 10:27 am

I see, clever! I didn't realise they could be reused so easily.

OK so I guess my follow on question would be can you make a stamper directly from a lacquer?

All things being equal, and you only want one set of stampers from each say.. the only real cost gain in metalwork between DMM and regular lacs is the silvering. Is that right?
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Re: Electroplating & DMM

Unread postby Aussie0zborn » Wed May 17, 2017 7:32 pm

Yes, you can make a stamper directly from a lacquer disc but if you damage that stamper you can not use that lacquer disc again to make another stamper. This is what our American friends call "one step plating".

The first electroform made from the lacquer can be used as a father (or "master") to make a mother, etc or it can be converted to a stamper (a "convert"). With DMM, you can use the copper disc again to make another stamper should you damage the first one.

In so-called "two step plating", a mother is made from the father and then the father is converted into a stamper. If the stamper gets damaged, you can go back to the mother and make another stamper.

I don't know about the cost benefits but there are sonic benefits with DMM which is a whole different topic.
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Re: Electroplating & DMM

Unread postby Dub Studio » Wed May 17, 2017 9:00 pm

Ah I get it, so one-step plating is an option, but its a riskier way of doing it.

In your experience, would pressing plants generally take the risk for a few hundred units? Or would they go ahead and make a father + mother just in case?
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Re: Electroplating & DMM

Unread postby Aussie0zborn » Wed May 17, 2017 9:45 pm

Most plants offer you the option of one-step, two-step and three-step plating so it depends on what you ask for. A plant that has disc cutting in-house can afford to use direct stampers ("one step") as a re-cut is not far away.

I doubt anyone would make a mother unless you paid for it when just pressing a few hundred records.
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Re: Electroplating & DMM

Unread postby Dub Studio » Thu May 18, 2017 6:54 am

That's good to know thanks :)

So just for the sake of clarity, let's assume you just want one set of stampers, and you are very careful not to damage them. The only thing separating DMM and regular lacquers is the silvering. I mean creating some stampers from a pair of silvered lacquers or a pair of DMM masters is essentially the exact same process?
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Re: Electroplating & DMM

Unread postby Aussie0zborn » Thu May 18, 2017 7:29 am

Once you silver the freshly cut lacquer it is at the same stage as a freshly cut DMM disc. Both are now ready for plating.
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Re: Electroplating & DMM

Unread postby cafyon » Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:20 pm

Sorry to jump in.

Is it possible to use a press with stampers made from both DMM and lacquer mothers?

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Re: Electroplating & DMM

Unread postby Aussie0zborn » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:08 pm

Stampers are stampers so the press doesn't know or care. In other words, it doesn't matter how the records are cut as long as you can make stampers you're good to start pressing.
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Re: Electroplating & DMM

Unread postby cafyon » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:05 pm

Thank you for clarification. A friend of mine insisted "pressing machines are specialized for stampers from lacquer or DMM separately" while we was making a list of plants which are capable of DMM pressing. So I think he misjudged the issue. The plants claim they are capable of "performing DMM cutting", as far as I understand now.
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Re: Electroplating & DMM

Unread postby Aussie0zborn » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:06 pm

It seems you don't know enough about it to be compiling a list. Anyone that needs to know already knows so it would serve no real benefit.
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