Hanoi Amator Project (HAP)

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Hanoi
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Re: Hanoi Amator Project (HAP)

Post: # 48712Unread post Hanoi
Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:30 pm

update a pix
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Post: # 48784Unread post Hanoi
Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:06 pm

I have just made a simple lathe control
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Happy new year to all trolls! :)

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Re: Hanoi Amator Project (HAP)

Post: # 48786Unread post markrob
Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:22 pm

Hi,

Looks great! Are you using the TMC2100? I just ordered a few to play with.

Mark

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Post: # 48787Unread post Hanoi
Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:50 pm

markrob wrote:Hi,

Looks great! Are you using the TMC2100? I just ordered a few to play with.

Mark
Hi Mark,
Yes, as your recommendation I bought one, and it works really well, silence.

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Thank you!

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Post: # 48788Unread post Hanoi
Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:32 pm

Now I got a problem with vacuum suction, it can not suck the static, static always got stuck behind the needle :( . I don't know if my vacuum pump is too weak or may caused of other reason, 2mm from suction tube to needle and blank. Here is the datasheet image, can someone tell me if it is powerful enough?
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thank you!

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Post: # 48790Unread post KNOP
Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:14 am

Hey not an expert but I'm using a rietschle vte8.
It has a 133l/min max airflow and I run it at 80% speed most of the time. I do however use a lot of duct tape instead of 'real' connectors, so I guess I do have quite a few vacuum losses. My previous pump which did not work had a
118l/min airflow, but was a piston pump, not a rotary vane pump. I suspect the previous pump did not work well was because of the flow ripple of using a single piston vac pump.

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Post: # 48795Unread post jjwharris
Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:13 pm

That's looking great!

Are you planning on implementing a controller to lift the cutting head up and down? Also, does the pot work fairly accurately for groove width?

In terms of static I don't have much personal experience but I know Todd from Deep Groove Mastering has a video on cutting plastic where he is very cautious about static. Maybe you can get some information from that?

[YouTube2]https://youtu.be/1dGU79-1DYM [/YouTube2]
Record Lathe Embossing Supplies - http://www.supplies.johnnyelectric.co.nz/

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Post: # 48797Unread post Hanoi
Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:08 am

KNOP wrote:Hey not an expert but I'm using a rietschle vte8.
It has a 133l/min max airflow and I run it at 80% speed most of the time. I do however use a lot of duct tape instead of 'real' connectors, so I guess I do have quite a few vacuum losses. My previous pump which did not work had a
118l/min airflow, but was a piston pump, not a rotary vane pump. I suspect the previous pump did not work well was because of the flow ripple of using a single piston vac pump.
Hi Knop, thank you for your information, it means my vacuum pump is too weak to work. So I'm ordering another one, different type at my local shop, HB-129 - like this: http://www.crelec.co.za/hb-129.html

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/30cfm-Compressor-Vacuum-Blower-Pump-HB-129-vac-pump-Pond-Aerator-Busch-Becker/162764058947?hash=item25e57e7143:g:FHMAAOSwAHtaEbq5

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Post: # 48798Unread post Hanoi
Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:31 am

jjwharris wrote:That's looking great!

Are you planning on implementing a controller to lift the cutting head up and down? Also, does the pot work fairly accurately for groove width?

In terms of static I don't have much personal experience but I know Todd from Deep Groove Mastering has a video on cutting plastic where he is very cautious about static. Maybe you can get some information from that?

[YouTube2]https://youtu.be/1dGU79-1DYM [/YouTube2]
Hi John,
I didn't test this stepper motor, and don't know if it produce vibration or background noise. About the controller to lift the cutting head up and down may be later, after testing this :)
I have tried cutting many times, but always get noise at some first seconds (5 - 10 seconds) :?: :?: :?: I didnt apply the wax spray and no heating the stylus.

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Post: # 48804Unread post jjwharris
Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:25 pm

I'm using the same controller and motor and haven't noticed any noise.

My plan is to eventually use a dashpot and servo to raise and lower the cutting head, I need to rethink my overhead as at the moment it is not as secure as it should be.

Cutting plastic is outside of my experience but failing to get an anti static spray there seem to be a few diy alternatives that could work online?
Record Lathe Embossing Supplies - http://www.supplies.johnnyelectric.co.nz/

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Post: # 48837Unread post Hanoi
Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:42 am

Finally, it works!
I'm using a rotary vane pump, it is too strong so I did 2 input lines to minus air flow, that make noise as a flute.
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(the big one, compare to previous one)
I've cut ten times without anti static, but failed, so I decided to use the anti-static (for clothes, made in Russia, I dont know the name, you can see in the video) and it works really well.
and the result is ok for me!
Iam happy with I have done up to now, any way need to reduce the vacuum noise :P

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Re: Hanoi Amator Project (HAP)

Post: # 48838Unread post Hanoi
Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:54 am

Static is evil, killed my 10 blanks! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Post: # 48929Unread post Ritter
Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:01 pm

Hanoi wrote:Static is evil, killed my 10 blanks! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Nice work so far... in terms of the blanks: I know that feeling. I'm just working through something similar myself. :cry:

Just out of interest, what angle are you cutting at and with how much weight?

I should probably do an update on my own progress.

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Post: # 48942Unread post Hanoi
Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:51 pm

Ritter wrote:
Hanoi wrote:Static is evil, killed my 10 blanks! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Nice work so far... in terms of the blanks: I know that feeling. I'm just working through something similar myself. :cry:

Just out of interest, what angle are you cutting at and with how much weight?

I should probably do an update on my own progress.
It is vertical angle (~90 deg or less) and about 12 - 15gram weight.
I can adjust up to 25 minutes per side with this lathe controller
Everything is ok now and I'm planning to make another "body" for the lathe.
Cheers!

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Re: Hanoi Amator Project (HAP)

Post: # 48974Unread post Ritter
Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:00 pm

Lovely work..

I notice the dashpot in your video; is this a pull or push-pull dashpot?

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Post: # 49115Unread post Hanoi
Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:44 pm

Ritter wrote:Lovely work..

I notice the dashpot in your video; is this a pull or push-pull dashpot?
The dashpot I'd made from an injection cylinder, so don't really know it is a pull nor push one. :oops:

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Post: # 49116Unread post Hanoi
Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:07 pm

Its hard to keep the blank disc flat while cutting that killed some blank discs.
I have just bought a Disc Stabilizer - Audio-Technica AT666. Used, no vacuum pump, just the disc, 100$ does it worth?
Is there anyone have used this one for cutting?
I will test soon and hope its ok.
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Re: Hanoi Amator Project (HAP)

Post: # 54007Unread post rodrigovieira
Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:16 pm

QUANTAS VOLTAS TEM A BOBINAS??

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Re: Hanoi Amator Project (HAP)

Post: # 55154Unread post Hanoi
Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:14 am

rodrigovieira wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:16 pm
QUANTAS VOLTAS TEM A BOBINAS??
This is the rusult:
however I didn't cut any more, every thing is at house corner: cutter head, blank discs, stylus P320 (Myshank)
I could sell to anyone interested, mail to me: thangndsd@gmail.com
Cheers!

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