Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

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Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

Unread postby timmy1 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:20 pm

Hi I was wondering if they made record lathes just for 45 rpm records? I would like to experiment with making 45 records provided I can get the blanks Thanks.
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Re: Record Lathe Question

Unread postby tragwag » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:35 pm

I would have to say no.
early record lathes were made in an era where there was only 78 RPM recording.
thats why you find a lot of suitcase cutters that only go 78.
after that, pro and semi pro lathes often went 33 and 78.
and when 45 RPM was introduced, it was simply an addition to the existing speeds.

I know that the Presto lathes can be adapted to go 45 instead of 33, etc.
each company had their own adaptation, but I am not sure if any company had only a 45rpm lathe.

Your best bet would be (depending on how deep you want to get into this):
-buy a suitcase cutter and modify it's speed (very very lo fi results)
-buy a semi-pro cutter (presto/rek o cut/etc)
-buy a modern dub cutter model and attach it to a Technics 1200 turntable.

as always, check the WIKI: http://lathetrolls.pbworks.com/w/page/22959575/The%20Secret%20Society%20of%20Lathe%20Trolls
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Re: Record Lathe Question

Unread postby Steve E. » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:09 pm

I do think there was some sort of japanese consumer/toy system that cut only 45s. hmmm...

EDIT: Yes! it was called the Vanrock Recorder E-101:

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ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLtnbCmq480

A variation (perhaps a simple rebranding) was called the Atom.
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Re: Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

Unread postby tragwag » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:11 pm

wow! there you go :)
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Re: Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

Unread postby timmy1 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:19 pm

tragwag wrote:wow! there you go :)

Thanks does any one know where i can get one? Also what kind of blanks is used with them.
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Re: Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

Unread postby studiorp » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:26 pm

I had seen two years ago in UK on Ebay a disc lathe portable in excellent condition only for 45 rpm. It was a MSS Recording lathe.
For blanks "nema problema" (no problem), because you can cut everything, from polycarbonate to pvc, or other.
For example I had done experiments to 45 rpm on a 12" without problem.
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Re: Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

Unread postby timmy1 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:47 pm

Thanks so is MSS the name of the lathe?
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Re: Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

Unread postby studiorp » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:41 am

MSS Recording Company was a British factory that had produced portable lathes and too discs for BBC during the WWII.
You can see the video of a lathe on youtube, and on Google there are a lot of articles of these machines.
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Re: Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

Unread postby timmy1 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:19 am

I did not find any information on MSS Recording Company on youtube or much on google.
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Re: Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

Unread postby timmy1 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:01 am

I am debating which type of lathe to get. I have a chance to buy a wilcox gay record lathe that needs the head demagnetized but it still works or I can wait and look for a smaller one the vanrock recorder but that is hard to find. Has anyone used the vanrock recorder and how did they like it thanks.
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Re: Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

Unread postby timmy1 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:50 am

On the wilcox gay lathe I am think about buying the person says I does not record or play because the head has to be magnetized. He told me you reverse the needle to record and reverse it back to play. here is a youtube video not sure how easy it would be to repair
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu9139LDIc4
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Re: Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

Unread postby Angus McCarthy » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:36 pm

Is it an ebay auction? If so can you give us a link?
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Re: Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

Unread postby timmy1 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:30 pm

Angus McCarthy wrote:Is it an ebay auction? If so can you give us a link?

Here is a youtube video of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu9139LDIc4
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Re: Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

Unread postby Angus McCarthy » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:43 am

timmy1 wrote:
Angus McCarthy wrote:Is it an ebay auction? If so can you give us a link?

Here is a youtube video of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu9139LDIc4

Is that the actual machine you are going to buy, or just one like it?
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Re: Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

Unread postby Steve E. » Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:47 am

Make sure it can cut at 45! A lot of the earlier Wilcox Gay machines were pre-1948 and only cut 78.

That little suitcase thingy looks pretty cute!

Do keep in mind that you will have to spend money to get it to work.
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Re: Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

Unread postby timmy1 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:08 am

I was just wondering if you could use a transcriber to record on to a cdr
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Re: Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

Unread postby Angus McCarthy » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:09 pm

What do you mean by "transcriber"?
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Re: Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

Unread postby timmy1 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:47 pm

Angus McCarthy wrote:What do you mean by "transcriber"?

They had a transcriber for recording notes which used a small disk at 16 speed years ago.
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Re: Record Lathe Question:45 lathe?

Unread postby Angus McCarthy » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:34 pm

Oh, you mean a Dictation Machine.

Well, assuming you can find a model with a spindle that would let you fit a CD, and as long as you have a good embossing stylus, it should be quite possible.
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