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Post: # 17268Unread post mossboss
Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:49 am

Bootleg record stories from or about bootleggers not counterfeiters or pirates
The difference being material bootlegged and put out on records vinyl of course and stories related to them that was never released at the time by its rightful owners or artist
The Great White Wonder comes to mind as well as the Basement tapes Dylan stuff but there is a score or two of them
So come on guys bring it on
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Post: # 21346Unread post GhostHighway
Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:35 am

if you put out a record that was only released on CD... and the label doesn't exist anymore...

is this a bootleg?

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Post: # 21348Unread post Angus McCarthy
Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:13 am

Ah, now there's more of a moral question. Who owns the mechanical rights? The artist? Technically yes, most likely.

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Post: # 21841Unread post Aussie0zborn
Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:41 pm

Some good bootleg stories here from Ken Douglas one of the two guys who started it all with the release of Bob Dylan's "Great Whte Wonder".

Ken and his mate Dub ran the "Trademark Of Quality" label and after their split Ken set up "The Amazing Kornyfone Record Label" (TAKRL). These are two of the most collectable bootleg labels and his stories about how they got the tapes, ran from the law, dealt with dodgy people, Chicago thugs who found then when the FBI couldn't etc make for a great read.

http://recordcollectorsguild.org/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=23532

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Post: # 21845Unread post mossboss
Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:17 am

This is all in a book by some English author which makes a great read
The book includes a lot of the cover artwork done for these Bootie's
Not sure that anyone wants to go down that path now days though
If any one does they desrve what they get while they will get no sympathy here thats for sure
The last bust in the UK is still geting dragged through the courts
With as many as 8 odd adjurments so far at a cost of about 5,000 pounds per appearance it is costing these guys a fortune
No end in sight for two of them as yet
One of the guys cought has been dealt with already by admitting guilt I believe
Not nice One can do it 100% legal and easy by getting mechanical rights in most cases for very little cost if any
They may have to pay some money to the Publisher if such arrangement exists
However, in so far as pressing say 1000 records it would not be a bank breaker thats for sure
On the other hand quite a few dibanded bands are happy to give the green light for nothing so long as they get a few records for them shelves
Not the case if you want to press Micheal Jacksons greates hits or the Rolling Stones latest tour album but certainly is the case down from that level
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Post: # 21848Unread post Aussie0zborn
Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:36 am

This is all in a book by some English author which makes a great read
You're thinking of Clinton Heylin's book "Bootleg : The Secret Recording Industry" or some such which is a good read and well researched. Ken Douglas refused to be interviewed for that book so the link above is Ken's story - stuff you wont read in that book. Ken stopped writing his story on the Record Colelctors' Guild Forum when he realised a lot of people want to read about it. Being a published writer, he has decided to write a book about his bootleg days and sell it instead.

So if you put the book and Ken's story together, you will get the full picture.

As Mossy said, you wouldn't want to do that today and in any case, collectors of live concert recordings can do it all via internet. Still, the fact that you can get almost any Led Zeppelin concert thanks to bootlegging is a godsend for collectors. And the fact that new recordings keep appearing is just amazing and these deserve to be heard.

Jimmy Page collects Led Zep bootlegs but he has also shown up in Court to give evidence against a bootlegger. Deep Purple have taken some classic bootlegs and released them themselves (bootleggging the bootlegeers?). Pearl Jam put the bootleggers out of the Pearl Jam bootleg business by recording each show and selling the CD to the patrons on their way out of the concert hall.

The serious collector will always seek out each and every recording, even if its a bootleg. They will always have the official product. The quest is to find the best possible recording or collect every recording from a specific concert tour or band. Nothing wrong with that except for the exhorbitant prices being charged by the Japanese Led Zeppelin only labels. Limited edition of 100 in Digipaks with Obi Strip for $150 each. Then a re-release of the same thing in plain LP style jacket with a different title but the CD has the original title printed on it.

I figured to press 100 copies only they have inside access to a CD plant but their CDs are made in Taiwan without the artist's name on it, so no inside contacts. They package 100 like this sell them for $150 and then re-issue with a different jacket and title for $50 but then its all from the same pressing. So, they are pressing the minimum 500 CDs and then selling them in five different limited editions of 100. Not nice.

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Post: # 21849Unread post tragwag
Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:04 am

this was still a very interesting read, which opened my eyes to the times, and the needs of consumers at the time as well.
growing up in an era where some people emulate that time skewed my view for sure. Though the stories shed a very interesting light on the state of things.
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Post: # 21941Unread post audadvnc
Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:21 pm

As for myself, I've never bootlegged anything, copied cassettes, listened to songs on the radio more than once, or driven over the speed limit. Almost all those things are illegal, don't ya know?

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