The missing link ? Tefifon

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The missing link ? Tefifon

Post: # 64979Unread post farmersplow
Fri May 31, 2024 7:30 am

A few weeks ago, when I happened to be passing a second-hand goods market, a strange device literally jumped out at me. On closer inspection, I saw a kind of tape cassette. But instead of a magnetic pick-up, there was a needle as a pick-up? When I looked even closer, I realised that the tape was not smooth, but had several grooves - like a record! I actually wanted to take the device with me to take a closer look at it at home, but I didn't have the money and my dear wife said I already had enough to do with my project ‘...you don't want to start something new again - do you?’.

I get distracted far too easily. I haven't bought it, but I have read up on it. Maybe I'll try making audio recordings on tape at some point.

Have any of you ever made a sound recording (groove) on tape?
I would be interested to know how you did it

Perhaps many people are familiar with this device, but I don't think so. I didn't know it, although I'm always digging around in this area. And the idea is brilliant. Back then you could only record a few minutes on vinyl and with this tape you could record four hours! It reminds me of my youth, when the first Walkmans came onto the market and it was possible to take music on cassette with you on the go. Cassettes in the Walkman and cassettes in the car. In the car, that was the only way to play your own wish list. Theoretically, there were car record players, but they only existed in theory, nobody really used them (where should you store the records? On a sunny beach in the boot at 80°C).
I probably didn't know the device because it was only on the market for a relatively short time and that was before I was born.

The function is like this: An audio groove (like on a record) was cut on an endless tape many metres long. The groove started on the far left and after one revolution of the tape (many metres further) the groove slowly moved to the right and the groove could be continued to the right of the first groove. Thus the groove slowly but surely moved to the right to the right end and up to 6 grooves per millimetre of belt width could be arranged. In this way, up to 80 grooves were created and the tape ran and ran.
On small cassettes, 60 and 120 minutes of playing time were achieved. Large tapes could run for 4 hours.

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The Tefifon was developed by Dr Karl Daniel in the 1930s and produced and marketed by the German company Tefi (Tonband-Fabrik Eger, owned by Ludwig Karl Strauß) from the 1940s onwards.

History of the Tefifon:
Invention: Dr Karl Daniel began developing the Tefifon in the 1930s.
Market launch: The market launch took place in the 1940s.
Market presence: The Tefifon was on the market until the 1960s, but became less and less important in the 1950s as magnetic tape technology and the vinyl record became more popular and further developed.

Stereo Tefifon:
Yes, there was also a stereo Tefifon. Tefi later launched a stereo version of the Tefifon to meet the growing consumer demand for better sound quality and stereo playback. However, these models were less common and were not widely used due to strong competition from other playback technologies such as magnetic tape (tape cassettes) and stereo discs.

The Tefifon had some specific advantages and disadvantages compared to the gramophone record:

Advantages of the Tefifon:
  • Longer playing time: the Tefifon could play back significantly longer recordings than conventional records. Some Tefi cassettes offered up to 4 hours of playing time, which was far longer than the maximum playing time of a record.
  • Robustness: Tefi tapes were more robust and less susceptible to mechanical damage, such as scratches or breakages, which often occur with vinyl records.
  • Compact cassettes: The cassette shape made the tapes easier and safer to handle and store compared to the larger and more fragile vinyl records.

Disadvantages of the Tefifon:
  • Limited availability: the Tefifon was a niche product and never really caught on. As a result, there was a limited choice of music and recordings compared to vinyl records. Even then, there were exclusive contracts in the music industry and the best-known artists already had record contracts. This meant that no ‘interesting’ artists could be found on Tefifon cassettes.
  • Lower sound quality: The sound quality of the Tefifon was often not as good as that of records. The fidelity and frequency range could not keep up with high-quality records.
  • Mechanical complexity: The Tefifon system was mechanically more complex and more susceptible to faults and wear than the simple scanning system of records.
  • Limited playback devices: While record players were widely available and standardised, there were only a few manufacturers and models of Tefifon players, making availability and replacement difficult.
  • Production and duplication process: As with music drums, the production of music tapes was simple, but duplication was much more complex than with records!
Overall, the Tefifon offered some interesting technical advantages, but due to its disadvantages and the widespread acceptance of vinyl records, it was not able to establish itself on the market in the long term.



The Tefifon and its technology were protected by various patents. The most important patents were held by Dr Karl Daniel and the Tefi company. Here are some details of relevant patents:

GB528763A • 1940-11-06 • KARL DANIEL Improvements in sound record bands
GB767918A • 1957-02-06 • KARL DANIEL Improvements in or relating to sound-carriers in the form of an endless tape recorded for mechanical reproduction
GB523851A • 1940-07-24 • KARL DANIEL Improvements in mechanical sound recording and reproduction
GB532028A • 1941-01-16 • KARL DANIEL Improved apparatus for cutting sound records on sound tapes
GB500671A • 1939-02-14 • KARL DANIEL Method of duplicating endless band sound records
DE1020805B • 1957-12-12 • DANIEL TEFI APPARATEBAU Cassette for endless, tape-like sound carriers


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Re: The missing link ? Tefifon

Post: # 64996Unread post displacedsnail
Sun Jun 02, 2024 9:45 am

Ah, what a fascinating and odd piece of audio history! I've always enjoyed the interesting things done with tape that never took off. I have never heard of the Tefifon. My partner would have been discouraging me from buying it, as well, haha. It would have been hard not to, if only to take it apart and look at all the pieces!

I have a modified PXL-2000, a toy camcorder that records video to audio cassettes in extreme lo-fi. I bought it to make music videos for a cassette label - I thought it was a fun bit of synergy, haha. I'll link a couple below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PivLnYgGpVk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxgAOPLBClo

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Re: The missing link ? Tefifon

Post: # 64998Unread post Tim w
Sun Jun 02, 2024 10:21 am

The Techmoan channel on youtube has a few videos dedicated to the tefifon. There you can see it in action.

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Re: The missing link ? Tefifon

Post: # 65043Unread post Togirdor
Fri Jun 07, 2024 1:27 pm

I knew about it thanks to Techmoan, I've always wanted to have some of the cartridges for my weird media collection.

When going to the "tape recording" article in Wikipedia you can see that the first methods involved making incisions in celluloid tape (unemulsified movie tape) with a stylus. The same system was used for a talking clock I saw once in the clock museum in La Chaux de fonds in Switzerland

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape_recorder#/media/File%3ATape_Recorder_1909.tif

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Re: The missing link ? Tefifon

Post: # 66618Unread post caroline_black
Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:30 am

that's my little collection :)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/RnUdxsU4G3d7WAj48

https://photos.app.goo.gl/tFVUmihdYejXKxuh8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/uZED4HjQhyruyzEj6

https://photos.app.goo.gl/fQAizKXsPgcVgqCZ6

(this is my first post and i dont know how to insert the pics right maybe, so please bare with me)

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Post: # 66619Unread post farmersplow
Wed Jan 08, 2025 12:09 pm

caroline_black wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:30 am
that's my little collection :)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/RnUdxsU4G3d7WAj48

https://photos.app.goo.gl/tFVUmihdYejXKxuh8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/uZED4HjQhyruyzEj6

https://photos.app.goo.gl/fQAizKXsPgcVgqCZ6

(this is my first post and i dont know how to insert the pics right maybe, so please bare with me)
First contribution after almost 4 years of registration - and the spell is broken. Thanks for the contribution! These are great pictures and a nice collection.
How does it sound for you with this device? As the only known owner so far, maybe you can say something about the quality!

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Post: # 66621Unread post boryo
Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:35 pm

farmersplow wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2025 12:09 pm
caroline_black wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:30 am
that's my little collection :)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/RnUdxsU4G3d7WAj48

https://photos.app.goo.gl/tFVUmihdYejXKxuh8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/uZED4HjQhyruyzEj6

https://photos.app.goo.gl/fQAizKXsPgcVgqCZ6

(this is my first post and i dont know how to insert the pics right maybe, so please bare with me)
First contribution after almost 4 years of registration - and the spell is broken. Thanks for the contribution! These are great pictures and a nice collection.
How does it sound for you with this device? As the only known owner so far, maybe you can say something about the quality!
the last link is a video

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Re: The missing link ? Tefifon

Post: # 66622Unread post farmersplow
Wed Jan 08, 2025 5:17 pm

Thank you Boryo! I actually overlooked it.

The quality seems to be phenomenal!!! It's incredible that such an old box delivers such good quality. Especially when I think that the cartridge has never been replaced and the tapes have probably been played a lot. What I hear sounds exceptionally good.
I would also like to know whether this device is mono or one of the devices that could also play stereo?

Thanks again

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Post: # 66624Unread post caroline_black
Thu Jan 09, 2025 4:09 am

hey there

indeed the spell is broken :-)

i have it running through a mic amp, and then to a jvc amp, no hum, works great, i never had any bad tapes either, only dirty ones or more "stuck" a little, but after playing once and cleaning the needle its fine, actually great sound, cause it doesnt have scratches on the grooves like vinyl usually has.

im very happy with it.
the remote is more to look at, its not very accurate, it just makes the needle skip up or down, but in different intervals, i think its more useful for 4 hour tapes, which i dont have any cause theres only a few out there and from what i see theyre more compilations of the other carts.

and some titles are a bit "special", like march music and stuff..
but i like the german oldies they provide and since theyre always germanized hits and covers, like they did a lot in the 50s in germany, nothing ive seen in english, except some language courses.

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Post: # 66625Unread post caroline_black
Thu Jan 09, 2025 4:12 am

oh yeah, and its mono. there were a few stereo carts and later models had a stereo pick up already installed, but it never made it as a stereo device, by then there were longplay lps, and the company had basically already went under..

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Post: # 66626Unread post caroline_black
Thu Jan 09, 2025 6:08 am

heres another song, they usually dont have any rights on them anymore..
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Yx6dgdBxD2Mbsx9p8

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Post: # 66631Unread post caroline_black
Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:43 am

and heres a direct feed, but i dont think i recorded it well.. i used audacity and didnt mind the levels enough.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EhiOkZ1TVvGrKYrB2SK9SuhdJjGU_tzh/view?usp=drive_link

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Post: # 66903Unread post selectavision
Tue Feb 18, 2025 5:37 pm

In the 1950s, Tefifon sound quality was significantly superior to shellac records. Shellac records were still common in Germany at the time because vinyl records /Microgroove had not yet been introduced there. The enormous playing time at a very high quality was stunning and an absolute novelty then. The big problem was the omnipotence of the established record industry, which had no interest in the poor quality of shellac becoming public through a direct comparison with a more sophisticated recording system in any way. Therefore, the tap was turned off to this unpleasant competition by not allowing any artist to sign a contract with Tefifon. Otherwise the established labels would have thrown those artists out. Tefi could even do stereo, what shellack never did. Tefi had special-short-playing tapes with playing times similar to the later 45 single records. The system was quite versatile, even a magnetic recorder -based on the same cassette-type was introduced... .
We later saw what market power lies in this with VHS video. VHS was the worse video-system, but because of the easy and convenient availability of current films on VHS tape it won hands down against VCR, Video2000 (which both provided much better resolution and far better S/N ratio in comparison to VHS) and other competitors. The latter had not recognized and implemented this in the marketing of their products. One reason for the gradual demise of Grundig.
The Tefi devices in the end were sold off via mail order at dumping prices in the mid-1960s because no current music of any renowned artist was playing on them. That finally was the end for Tefifon.

Martin

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