Color Vinyl specs

[tape]

a somewhat strange question:

When ordering coloured vinyl from a pressing plant - how to specify the color?

Let's say I wanted brown vinyl - can I supply them with a specific CMYK value, and what are the odds that they will be able to produce the exact color?

I have never seen any other specs on pressing plant sites, than eg. 'red' 'blue' brown' etc - the only option being solid color or transparant....

I guess a picture disc could be ordered but I want to avoid that.
MKaybe there exists something like a color chart, or it is different from plant to plnat what they are able to produce....

[mossboss]

No you cannot specify cmyk but you can specify PMS colours
Now when you do brace yourself as you will fall over at the cost of the colour addittive and you would have to use a mortar and pestle to grind it down fine enough
In essence if you want a coloured job you will have to wear the mottley coloured records that come out before the extruder cleans itself out or pay for the wasted compound that is purged from it so as to give you a specified colour
That can be up to 50 pounds of wasted material plus operators and machine time
Plants are aware of that so are most customers
So if a plant says read blue or yellow it can be any where within the range of what one call red blue or yellow
There is material already coloured from the supplier and they will be hapy to supply you with samples of the colour I am sure
But the above still applies
Hope this helps
Cheers

[Monkey]

May give you some idea of colours that can be produced.

http://www.colloids.co.uk/masterbatch/colour.php

you can also have records that have special pigments which make them ‘Glow in the Dark’, Sparkle, Transparent, Pearlescent, Iridescent, wood effect and mottle etc...

http://www.hamptoncolours.co.uk/html/masterbatch-stoc.html

The above sites products may not be sutiable for use in vinyl pressing but this is the company that we use for masterbatch pigments.

http://www.clariant.com/C125766B004CDFBC/vwWebPagesByID/04872E207B80A989C12568CE003E269A

[tape]

thanks for good info.
I guess it's best to stick to images or samples from pressing plants for reference....

Pignements in colour sounds like something that affect sound quality, but there are interesting perspectives...fluroscent and the like...

[Monkey]

Yes samples from your plant would be best but the pigments should never cause "noise" issues as long as the recomended amount is used.

[TotalSonic]

Most plants will only let you order based on general color (i.e. red, blue, green, etc.) and will often have this further limited by availability. Truly custom color orders will generally require decent pressing order run as well as a long wait - and you'll still likely get some amount of variance from what you specified.

Afaik - the carbon black used to pigment standard records actually allows for a compound that gives the least amount of surface noise possible - as this pigment acts as both a homogenizing agent and a lubricant better than the other colored pigments do. Which is why I believe it's used as the standard instead of other pigments!

Best regards,
Steve Berson

[tape]

that explains a thing I wondered about - why black vinyl produce (supposedly) better quality than white

[filtersweeper]

is there much price difference between coloured (say brown) and clear?