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vinyl lacqure

Unread postby Master_V » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:25 am

Hello Friends,


My father left me the mix out to make vinyl lacquers
he was head chemist and was given the task to make the mix
and that what he did with 3 men team.
His 2 friends died loooong time ago.
He would have become 101 next december but he died last week.


I would welcome you to let me me know what would be the best to do now ?


1) Forget about it !

2) Sell the formular ?

3) Partner with a person of company ?

4) Yeah....what to do

Kind regards,

Jose
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Re: vinyl lacqure

Unread postby jjgolden » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:55 pm

Hi Jose,

Thanks for posting this.
If what you are saying is that you have documentation and knowledge of lacquer formulations for creating lacquer masters, then you are in a unique position.
Most aspects of vinyl record production have been expanding (record labels, new pressing plants, new mastering studios etc..) but we have not seen anybody willing to take the initiative to
create a new lacquer plant. With only 2 plants that currently supply the worlds increasing demand, it is very much needed.
It will be some work, but I believe (as do many other professionals and hobbyists) that there is defiantly a market for an alternative lacquer plant/product.
I think I speak for the entire lacquer cutting community when I say, YES PLEASE GO FOR IT!

What was the name of the company your father worked for?

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Re: vinyl lacqure

Unread postby Master_V » Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:40 am

Dear Friends,

ok

We go back in time!!!

After WWII.

The germans and americans where in the position of having Neumann / Scully cutters and had there
own Vinyl lacqures made in UK and USA.

The EAST block only allowed LYREC because it was not a German or US company, beter Danisch that nothing
they might have thought...?

The BIG leaders in the east-block wanted there own Lacqures and did not want too import from the west.

It's a kinda PRIDE thing, remember...the cold war? times where different then.

My father was given the task to make the formular with 2 others chemist, money, time, etc where no
problem aslong as they did there task.

The team made 3 mixes.

2 mixes where given to the big boss and1 has been used for many years.

The best mix (mix number 3) my father kept and never gave it too nobody.

Later when we got out of the EASTERN BLOCK my father told me the story.

I recently realized that vinyl is not dead but getting back again and now I wonder
if I could find ways to get involved in this lacqure thing.

Anyway...I just wait what response I will get in the next week(s)

Perhaps a dream or ??? we will see.

Jose
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Re: vinyl lacqure

Unread postby petermontg » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:14 am

Jose,

This is fantastic. Another supply in the market would be ideal for many of us.

The shortage of "Dubs" has hit a few here over the past year.

It won't be easy but anything worth doing is never easy.

I hope you find someone to partner with.


Best
Peter
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Re: vinyl lacqure

Unread postby Maistrow » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:49 pm

HI Jose,

I too have a lacquer disk formula that was passed down to me from my Father that was very successful here in the United States. The issues you may face are simply the massive cost’s to build a lacquer manufacturing plant or perhaps have a plant make the formula for you. Also building a plant to process and coat the disks. I have spoken to several experts in this field, and after looking at the cost to do this, it would take a long time to make some a profit.
Perhaps the options are better for you in your part of the world.

Good luck
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Re: vinyl lacqure

Unread postby jo51to » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:50 pm

Hola Jose!!
I think we have different parts of the same puzzle. Please contact me. I´ve sent you a private message.

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Re: vinyl lacqure

Unread postby Master_V » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:25 am

Hello Friends

Where I can buy alu discs that are used to coat the lacqure masters ?

I need some for my testing.

I rather like new !

Not recycle old scrap discs.

Kind regards,

Jose
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Re: vinyl lacqure

Unread postby markrob » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:01 pm

Hi,

Why not buy a brand new lacquer from Apollo and strip it? I don't think you are going to find a supplier of discs for that purpose. I seem to recall its not as simple as getting a sheet of aluminum and cutting or punching it out.

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Re: vinyl lacqure

Unread postby jjgolden » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:14 pm

I Agree, at least in the initial stages using a recycled disc is the way to go.
There are plenty of "perfectly good" scrap discs laying against the walls of cutting studios around the world.
you want to remove all lacquer, and polish the disc to a mirror finish.
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Re: vinyl lacqure

Unread postby Aussie0zborn » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:23 am

The aluminium disc is polished to perfection. The company that bought Apollo from the previous owner, Capitol Records, is the same company that supplied Apollo with polished aluminium discs.

When I visited our supplier Transco in the heyday of vinyl, Dick Llewelyn told me that reject lacquer discs, as well as used discs from local studios, were put in boiling water to remove the lacquer coating so that the aluminium disc could be re-used.

As suggested, use an existing lacquer disc. Scrape the lacquer off the edges, place in boiling water and remove a single film of lacquer from each side of the disc. It comes off very easily in one piece.

Here's another tip for you.... when aluminium was diverted for the war effort and not available to manufacturers of lacquer discs, they used glass discs instead. There is no reason you can't use a sheet of square glass, or if you can, cut it to a round shape. This should work beautifully for testing purposes.
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