disk to disk copy - bypassing RIAA encoding

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disk to disk copy - bypassing RIAA encoding

Post: # 10807Unread post carter
Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:33 pm

I'm curious if anyone has ever experimented with making an analog to analog cut from a vinyl source without passing the source signal through a preamp (and back again) -- just keeping the RIAA curve of the original and cutting that signal straight into another disc.

I hope this isn't a stupid idea, but I was imagining it would be the 'purest' way to make an analog copy from a disc, just to avoid both the digital stage and additional processing.

I don't have the capacity to do this, but I'd love to know if it could work, and if the results would distinguish themselves from a more conventional approach.

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Post: # 10809Unread post JuanPabloCuervo
Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:29 pm

it can be done
but...
all cartridges sound different.
all inner tonearm wires sound different.
all mic-pres sound different.
all turntables have pitch drift.
pitch drift is accumulative,

Playback + Recording + Playback = 3x times more Pitch Drift.

if done with 3x Stock/unmoddified Technics SL-1200MK2-A
will be a total of... 60cents up to 75cents = too much Pitch Drift.
if done with 3x heavy moddified Technics = 15cents = acceptable.

the only risk is that playback turntable can skip.

i want to try the ART MPA 2.
or the Gordon Mic pre...
Mic-Pres probably must be moddified to have 47kohms inputs.

there are "3x Phono Pres" that does not have RIAA... "Flat"
http://www.enhancedaudio.com/newway.htm
http://www.tracertek.com/ctp-1000-flat-phono-preamp
http://www.tracertek.com/ctp-2000-tube-flat-phono-preamp
&
http://www.vadlyd.dk/English/RIAA_and_78_RPM_preamp.html

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Post: # 10830Unread post Aussie0zborn
Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:23 am

This is all you need... the Rane PI14. Full specs at http://www.rane.com/pi14.html

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Post: # 10834Unread post carter
Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:03 am

i can't really find the right emoticon to respond to your post, Aussie. Too bad you'll have to guess what I'm thinking. Smiley Face.

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Post: # 10839Unread post mossboss
Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:37 pm

Trust Our Mike to find this, Hey, Not as good as the Vinyl burner though

Congratulations to Rane for seeing this
This is a product so extraordinary that if it didn’t exist, no one would miss it.
A full-function ecstasy generator controlled by a rotary knob on the front panel, as well as side-by-side Power and Glory switches.
There really is nothing like it.
Oh, by the way, April Fool!

Cheers
Chris

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