LinusN whishes to introduce himself

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LinusN
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LinusN whishes to introduce himself

Post: # 29286Unread post LinusN
Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:20 pm

Hi there

So, now I'm registered at yet another forum. Thought I should say hello before I start writing about my current project.

I'd say my interests are quite diverse, and covering science, motors, engineering, electronics, mechanics, hifi and of course music!

Listing all my previous projects would be a bit too much, but I thought I could mention a few of them.

When it comes to HiFi, my current setup is mostly home built. Actually everything but the speakers. For some reason, carpentry scares me (I'm more into working with metal).
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The amp is completely designed by me (chassis was brought from China buy an aquaintance) . Class A push-pull. Driver tubes; Siemens c3g, power tubes: KT88. All fixed bias, triode coupled. Sounds great! 35kg, ~2x25 watts. Not exactly the same power/mass-ratio as the PA-amp underneath it.

The turntable is my design. As you can see, the amp is not the only component that's completely finished. Mostly made out of MDF board (sand filled). Custom made bearing (oil lubricated brass bushing). Tone arm made from some kind of fiber tube. Bearings for the tone arm are recycled from a computer hard drive. Most people would probably not even try using a stepper motor to drive the platter, but with custom made drive electronics and a lot of fiddling with suspension and drive belt (cotton wire at the moment) I have gained great results.

The RIAA is not really my design, but came originally from Elliot Sound Products. Will build an all tube one when I get the time.

The DAC is based on a Weiliang DAC7 kit bought from Ebay. First I modified it, replacing the opamps with tubes but then I came up with another idea. Since the output from the DAC chip is actually balanced I could just bypass not only the buffer after it, but also the phase splitter in the power amp connecting it directly to the power tubes. Works like a charm!

One other project that has taken much of my time the last years is this:
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A huge pulse jet on skis. Quite interesting to get the most out of technology that is totally rubbish. More about that project here (in Swedish only unfortunately)

Well, I guess that's more than enough for a "short" introduction. As you might have noticed, I not too fond of just copying others work. Nothing wrong with getting influence from other people (I would not have registered here if I thought so), but sometimes I try to keep an open mind and try something new. Most of the times it ends in a complete failure/semi-failure, but sometimes the results are very pleasing!
What I like with these forums is that so many people devoted to one single subject/area are gathered in one place. And from what I have seen, there are some really talented guys in here.

I will start a thread about my new project soon. Just need to prepare some first :)
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Post: # 29289Unread post markrob
Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:36 am

Hi,

Welcome to the forum. I really like what you been up to! I have some questions about your turntable design.

You are right, I would not have expected to see a stepper used in this application. Can you provide more details about this? Are you running the motor open loop or as part of a servo? Is the motor being driven as a mico stepper, BLDC, or AC synchronous? If you are running closed loop, where do you get you tach feedback? How much does the platter weigh? What did you use as a bearing? How did you balance the platter?

I see two main resonances in the drive system. I would think cotton string/cable would have one in the audible range (500hz or so depending on the tension). The shock mounting of the motor would present a subsonic resonance. Do these cause you any grief? How did you evaluate the performance of the drive system (e.g. wow and flutter, rumble, torque cogging)?

I like the idea of using sand filled MDF for the platter. Can you provide any more details on this?

I regard to using the differential DAC drive direct to the power output stage grids; did you have to allow for some sort of trim to make sure that things were really balanced? For example, did you measure even order distortion harmonics to see that they are totally canceled (e.g. only odd order present)? Did you have to provide any sort reconstruction filter at the DAC outputs?

Mark

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Post: # 29300Unread post Snakeheadfishlab
Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:30 am

Cool looking turntable,awesome looking amp!and the jet powered snowmobile looks like some crazy Swedish redneck fun,how fast does it go?


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Post: # 29487Unread post LinusN
Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:10 pm

Markrob:

I'm running the stepper in open loop. I use a microcontroller to generate two sine waves using its PWM outputs, and an analogue amplifier driver the motor.

Regaring the cotton drive "belt". I tried several different materials. Nylon fishing line. FireLine fishing line. Some kind of rubber string.
With all other wires one could more or less clearly hear hum from the motor in the speakers. With the cotton string, I can turn the volume to max, but no hum at all seems to be propagated through it.
The mass of the platter is about 4kg.

The speed seems to be very stable, but there is one "problem" to fix and that is the drive wheel. It is not 100% centered on the motor shaft, which of course causes the speed to vary just a little bit. To be honest, I would not know about that if I did not measure it and I guess these low frequency variations are less serious than variations in the audible range.
The shock mounting for the motor is actually a bit more than you see in the pictures. The rubber o-rings absorbs some of the vibrations, while transferring the rest downwards. The while plate is made from some kind of plastic material with very low density, which stands on foam cones, absorbing even more vibrations.
Then everything stands on rubber feet. It's always hard to say exactly how good things are, but I am really surprised how good I got it to work. I also chose the dimension of the drive wheel so I could run the motor at a speed where it has the least resonance.
The main issues about the drive system regarding to me is;
1. The motor does not have wheel bearings and I don't know how long it will work well.
2. The not-perfectly-centered drive wheel.

Not much to say about the the sand filled MDF. As you see in the image, I just made some space in the center for sand.
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The bearing consists of a shaft made from hardened steel and a brass bushing. The clearance is quite large, and the bearing is lubricated by very thick oil (Vanguard 460). As you can see there are slits in the busing to be able to keep a lot of oil around the shaft, and also space for extra oil at its top.
The bearing works really well!
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Post: # 29488Unread post LinusN
Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:14 pm

Here is a pic of the drive electronics for the stepper motor:
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Regarding balancing of the platter; both the hub and the platter itself are CNC machined so they are very symmetric. I have not done any balancing after that, and I honestly do not think that is necessary.

When it comes to vibrations by the way; as you can see, the tone arm support is made from brass and aluminum. To get them resonance free I milled cavities in them which I then filled with hot melt glue. Not the type that gets quite hard, but one that is very soft and elastic after it has cooled down.
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Post: # 29492Unread post LinusN
Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:23 pm

Regarding the balanced output from DAC to amp.
The current setup was a really quick and dirty test, but it seems to work well. I am honestly not too sure about all the functions of the WM8741. It seems to have internal filtering, but I guess there should also be an external anti-aliasing filter before the power amp.
Maybe a simple RC link before the attenuator would work well.

Snakeheadfishlab:
We only have one opportunity per year to really test it. There is an event called Speed Weekend on Ice, inspired by the speed record festivals on Bonneville salt flats.
Unfortunately, we had an extremely warm winter this year, so the ice melted away just before the event. We had put a lot of effort into the fairing to make it more aerodynamic this year and we really wanted to see how fast it could go. I would guess something like 200kmph. Let's not forget these engines are extremely inefficient, so even though our engine is very big it does not produce more than about 1.8kN of thrust. Maybe we'll make it a little bigger next year!
Maybe the most impressive thing about this is the sound it produces. People hear it easily for more than 10km (we heard rumors about 25km). Mom's flowers took quite a beating one time when we did a test run at her place (where I grew up and where the workshop is).
There are quite a few vids here

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