why don't we do a test.
we could all cut the same track
we record it upload it and compare.
a few differnt systems would be nice.
We could cut lexan & souri plates.
Kingston with sc99
vinylrecorder with original head
some presto
neumann
I can cut it with the kinsgton using lexan.
What track do you guys want?
cheers
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Ok, as soon as I finish the 60 cuts I have backed up for repeat customers I have in my diary I will find a suitable cut to share.
Look I don't doubt the sound of the Kingston is better... if it is even halfway to being as good as my Neumann it will beat the VR hands down. I A-B'd a track from my VR with my Neumann and the results were astounding! Different ball park! However; that is not really my point. My point is simply that the sound quality is produces is easily good enough to run a small business with; period. And the fact that the lathe revolves around a tougher material makes it a clear contender. (Minus the fact that it is very hard to use and the customer support falls short by several furlongs).
The big thing from a customer point of view is that records are BLACK, not transparent. when I bought my VR I gave the option of both. I ended up using the clear plates for test cuts because no body wanted them. Not in a million years will a business cutting clear plates turnover half of what a business does with black ones.
Look I don't doubt the sound of the Kingston is better... if it is even halfway to being as good as my Neumann it will beat the VR hands down. I A-B'd a track from my VR with my Neumann and the results were astounding! Different ball park! However; that is not really my point. My point is simply that the sound quality is produces is easily good enough to run a small business with; period. And the fact that the lathe revolves around a tougher material makes it a clear contender. (Minus the fact that it is very hard to use and the customer support falls short by several furlongs).
The big thing from a customer point of view is that records are BLACK, not transparent. when I bought my VR I gave the option of both. I ended up using the clear plates for test cuts because no body wanted them. Not in a million years will a business cutting clear plates turnover half of what a business does with black ones.
ok who can upload a good track so people can download it to cut?
hmm i have a different experience my friend. when i want my music on a record then i want it as close as possible to the original. maybe i'm just a bit fuzzy but the stuff i got was far from close.
anyway let's just do it and we'll see.
cheers
hmm i have a different experience my friend. when i want my music on a record then i want it as close as possible to the original. maybe i'm just a bit fuzzy but the stuff i got was far from close.
anyway let's just do it and we'll see.
cheers
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To be a fair test it need to be done on the same lathe body and the same LPI. If the two cuts don't come from the same apparatus then I don't think you are really going to have a baseline for comparison.
The head should be swapped out from VinylRecorder to Vinylium. The same exact audio signal given to each head. Same exact preprocessing. Same lexan blanks. Same blank heating if any.
That would be the only fair way to test this.
The head should be swapped out from VinylRecorder to Vinylium. The same exact audio signal given to each head. Same exact preprocessing. Same lexan blanks. Same blank heating if any.
That would be the only fair way to test this.
but that's exaclty what we are trying to proof mate.
sc99 is completely different to souri's head.
the sc99 is about like 10000 dollars totally different to suris speakers.
what's the point of cutting with the same head on different bodies?
The problem is how to get a souri plate?
i will post the lpi i cut with shortly.
cheers
sc99 is completely different to souri's head.
the sc99 is about like 10000 dollars totally different to suris speakers.
what's the point of cutting with the same head on different bodies?
The problem is how to get a souri plate?
i will post the lpi i cut with shortly.
cheers
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montalbano
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We are comparing the systems, not the cutterheads and in my point of view this can't be intended to be a "professional" comparison - I'm not referrring to the same lathe body's but rather to the different gear, cutting amps, etc., and also because at the end everyone will play the dubplate on a different turntable and cartridge and convert the file with a different converter.
But life is made also of fun ... or not?
One suggestion from me is to set some simple but important rules:
- everybody cut @ RIAA standard levels, this will allow to compare the amount of dynamic distortion of the cutterheads
- everybody cut in the same starting position, let's say at the beginning of a 12", to ensure the same amount of "available" trebles and the same stress on the motor
- everybody please leave a couple seconds blank grooves before the track and include them in the posted files so we can compare the signal to noise ratio
as for the rest, I'd leave the LPI, the weight, the stylus heating and all the preprocessing to the cutting man, because e.g. heating depends on how heated the dubplate is and how old the diamond is, and the preprocessing (elliptical eq, deesser, stereo width adjustements) is very "personal" as well - everyone has his own way to work.
Just sum ideas ... Gotta go, as always I have issue with galvanics
But life is made also of fun ... or not?
One suggestion from me is to set some simple but important rules:
- everybody cut @ RIAA standard levels, this will allow to compare the amount of dynamic distortion of the cutterheads
- everybody cut in the same starting position, let's say at the beginning of a 12", to ensure the same amount of "available" trebles and the same stress on the motor
- everybody please leave a couple seconds blank grooves before the track and include them in the posted files so we can compare the signal to noise ratio
as for the rest, I'd leave the LPI, the weight, the stylus heating and all the preprocessing to the cutting man, because e.g. heating depends on how heated the dubplate is and how old the diamond is, and the preprocessing (elliptical eq, deesser, stereo width adjustements) is very "personal" as well - everyone has his own way to work.
Just sum ideas ... Gotta go, as always I have issue with galvanics
It can be funny , but we alredy know than acaetate sounds better than lexan , also than a neumann lathe is better for cutting, and also to read , than a tecnics ...
etc etc ...
After just look the reality : who is making what ?
The vinyl recoder s team never did any professional product , and dont give any professional services .
Stuka / Vinylium gives, since the begining , a service for professionals cutting rooms . They are abble to fix , or to build , almost every parts of a cutting system .
a good new topic can be : how making a good cut with a VR , it can help...
etc etc ...
After just look the reality : who is making what ?
The vinyl recoder s team never did any professional product , and dont give any professional services .
Stuka / Vinylium gives, since the begining , a service for professionals cutting rooms . They are abble to fix , or to build , almost every parts of a cutting system .
a good new topic can be : how making a good cut with a VR , it can help...
Yes, could help vr buyers...yann de Kéroullas wrote: a good new topic can be : how making a good cut with a VR , it can help...
I've never bought a Vinylium product but the selfless help from the Vinylium team and Flo has been the most rewarding and professional that i have had with, 10+
I dont like remember my experiences with souri or vestax
Cheers
Marcos