JayDC huffing Helium
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Your cutterhead does not take 350 Watts per channel. Thus, the coils in your cutterhead do not heat up like those in an SX74. If you are regularly pushing volume on an SX74 and you want to extend it's life then you need to run helium through it as a gas based heat sink.
This was suggested by Neumann. They say it is not necessary. But, that's only if you want to spend 6k every few years having your head rewound. The price of Helium vs. a 6K repair is a no brainer. The tube that feeds the cutterhead gas is less than an 1/8th inch diameter. So, we are talking about a very small trickle of gas. You don't rip through a tank quickly. I'm sure you probably could use another gas instead of Helium. But, why do something contrary to the specifications of the people who designed and built the lathe?
This was suggested by Neumann. They say it is not necessary. But, that's only if you want to spend 6k every few years having your head rewound. The price of Helium vs. a 6K repair is a no brainer. The tube that feeds the cutterhead gas is less than an 1/8th inch diameter. So, we are talking about a very small trickle of gas. You don't rip through a tank quickly. I'm sure you probably could use another gas instead of Helium. But, why do something contrary to the specifications of the people who designed and built the lathe?
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do i REAALLY need to break it down, or did you not read all da posts up to 'ere?
Noble gases are "Special"
helium is one of those gases.. it's visible color wen excited is RED.. and not just any RED, a horrible RED..
Neon is a nicer RED, it looks hot, not horrible..
Argon is GREEN.. which oddly enough is VERY pleasing to your eye..
Argon is also more plentiful since it comes from AIR, and not pumped from da GROUND..
My question for you, using the basic explanation above:
Would you like to cut records perceived as horrible, or as pleasant?
if its the latter, try argon.. I promise it won't fuck up your rig.. I'll sell my car and fix it for you if it does..
Noble gases are "Special"
helium is one of those gases.. it's visible color wen excited is RED.. and not just any RED, a horrible RED..
Neon is a nicer RED, it looks hot, not horrible..
Argon is GREEN.. which oddly enough is VERY pleasing to your eye..
Argon is also more plentiful since it comes from AIR, and not pumped from da GROUND..
My question for you, using the basic explanation above:
Would you like to cut records perceived as horrible, or as pleasant?
if its the latter, try argon.. I promise it won't fuck up your rig.. I'll sell my car and fix it for you if it does..
generally its for reproduction.. but i like to play wif it sometimes..
thats why opticode..JayDC wrote:tbch.. I'm not exactly sure wat changing the gas would do..
if your using noble gases: each one is a color ;]
if some how the acceleration limiter was connected to some sort of feedback from da head, it's quite possible that you could change gases to resonate different frequencies.. as long as you don't invoke the dual resonance model.. wtf am i talking about..
generally its for reproduction.. but i like to play wif it sometimes..
The gas serves no other function than to maintain a proper ambient temperature inside the cutterhead, specifically around the coils. I'm aware of no other side effect from using gas.JayDC wrote:thats why opticode..JayDC wrote:tbch.. I'm not exactly sure wat changing the gas would do..
if your using noble gases: each one is a color ;]
if some how the acceleration limiter was connected to some sort of feedback from da head, it's quite possible that you could change gases to resonate different frequencies.. as long as you don't invoke the dual resonance model.. wtf am i talking about..
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I forgot to mention that medical grade Helium is as very clean gas. Cheaper gas will usually have some impurity in it. You dont want a buildup of impurities in your cutterhead.
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look dood..
noble gases resonate at different frequencies..
that is how gas laser works, that is why you can see them excited..
if you understood things like "the dual resonance model" and "string theory" you would connect the dots and totally understand why and acceleration limiter is call exactly that and not a desser..
even if I try to explain it, you wouldn't understand it.
all I know is that argon is in tune wit our natural order. helium not so much..
[Potentially offensive or perhaps just confusing content removed by Steve E.]... then we should be able to switch gases, and you would see a WORLD of difference.. I am 100% serious.. It'll reverse the effects of quantum chromodynamics, or "divide and conquer" wit a natural order that has not been seen in america since the industrial revolution. I'd call it the green revolution.. Everyting obama wants to do wit america would be possible, will ease the public once we finally default, and will help maintain control in case china has ideas..
sometimes you need to look past the manual..
that heat sink in nothing more then a resonance chamber, the acceleration limiter prevents dual resonances which can cause all kinda of fucked up shit in the human mind..
I am sure that the idea was not to bring misery to society, just more of a away to control the tone. We need to change that tone or the worse is yet to come. it's non harmonic with the universe, sun, everything. and to bring it balance all we should have to do is switch to argon, cut records, press them and distribute them, get them on the radio, export them, play them.. even just vinyl rip a reference lacquer for digital distribution..
I understand, we can only use one tone at a time, it does not mean we cannot change tones to help our society survive.. that why they work in the way they do..
we need to do this now, and records are one of the only ways we as a society can do it.. I do not want my country to be enslaved for the next 1000 years.. and I would like to see the next level of human existence...
and I think easiest to way to do it is to save some money on helium, and switch to argon..
noble gases resonate at different frequencies..
that is how gas laser works, that is why you can see them excited..
if you understood things like "the dual resonance model" and "string theory" you would connect the dots and totally understand why and acceleration limiter is call exactly that and not a desser..
even if I try to explain it, you wouldn't understand it.
all I know is that argon is in tune wit our natural order. helium not so much..
[Potentially offensive or perhaps just confusing content removed by Steve E.]... then we should be able to switch gases, and you would see a WORLD of difference.. I am 100% serious.. It'll reverse the effects of quantum chromodynamics, or "divide and conquer" wit a natural order that has not been seen in america since the industrial revolution. I'd call it the green revolution.. Everyting obama wants to do wit america would be possible, will ease the public once we finally default, and will help maintain control in case china has ideas..
sometimes you need to look past the manual..
that heat sink in nothing more then a resonance chamber, the acceleration limiter prevents dual resonances which can cause all kinda of fucked up shit in the human mind..
I am sure that the idea was not to bring misery to society, just more of a away to control the tone. We need to change that tone or the worse is yet to come. it's non harmonic with the universe, sun, everything. and to bring it balance all we should have to do is switch to argon, cut records, press them and distribute them, get them on the radio, export them, play them.. even just vinyl rip a reference lacquer for digital distribution..
I understand, we can only use one tone at a time, it does not mean we cannot change tones to help our society survive.. that why they work in the way they do..
we need to do this now, and records are one of the only ways we as a society can do it.. I do not want my country to be enslaved for the next 1000 years.. and I would like to see the next level of human existence...
and I think easiest to way to do it is to save some money on helium, and switch to argon..
generally its for reproduction.. but i like to play wif it sometimes..
i could be wrong and it doesn't work.. and we are fucked.. that is a very real possibility.. unfortunatly I do not have a neumann to experiment with, and we americans have about 25 days to do something or we are fucked..
american society IS not going to just listen to the news that we are enslaved to our debt, its going to freak out.. Changing tones can, and probably will ease this "no hope", "no future" stress.. and prevent needless bloodshed in the streets if a mass panic broke out..
american society IS not going to just listen to the news that we are enslaved to our debt, its going to freak out.. Changing tones can, and probably will ease this "no hope", "no future" stress.. and prevent needless bloodshed in the streets if a mass panic broke out..
generally its for reproduction.. but i like to play wif it sometimes..
it was like a brake thru, you can see how i figure out wat i figure out by the progression of my monologue.. its all coz I found the use of helium odd, and know wat i know about gas lasers.. i kinna stumbled into this..bancho wrote: emmm... JayDC... why are you having monologues?
...or someone is deleting the posts...
Please don't fu*k up this forum! If someone finds the topic inappropriate he can ask the moderator to lock it!
i really hope dat someone at least try's it. we as a society have nothing to lose and everything to gain from it..
generally its for reproduction.. but i like to play wif it sometimes..
Well,
One thing you didn't take into account in your thinking is that argon gas is about 10 times less heat condutive than helium. It is similar in properites to regular good old air. If you have a copy of the AES Disk Recording Anthology Vol 1, you can read what Neumann engineers were thinking about the subject. (see page 271 fig. 6). In the first revision, they considered hydrogen, but later changed to helium as it is not as dangerous and/or corosive.
Here is a link to a table showing the thermal conductiviey of common gasses:
http://www.engineersedge.com/heat_transfer/thermal-conductivity-gases.htm
Those Neumann guys were pretty smart. Rather than getting a veiw inside your brain as you think things out, it would seem to make more sense to really study the issue and make one complete post.
Mark
One thing you didn't take into account in your thinking is that argon gas is about 10 times less heat condutive than helium. It is similar in properites to regular good old air. If you have a copy of the AES Disk Recording Anthology Vol 1, you can read what Neumann engineers were thinking about the subject. (see page 271 fig. 6). In the first revision, they considered hydrogen, but later changed to helium as it is not as dangerous and/or corosive.
Here is a link to a table showing the thermal conductiviey of common gasses:
http://www.engineersedge.com/heat_transfer/thermal-conductivity-gases.htm
Those Neumann guys were pretty smart. Rather than getting a veiw inside your brain as you think things out, it would seem to make more sense to really study the issue and make one complete post.
Mark
my mind doesnt work that way, and never did..
the information is there, do with it wat you will.. Being stubborn and sticking to wat they tell you is no way to innovate and evolve..
maybe your all correct, and I'm a crazy acid fill retard.. or maybe I'm correct.. the only way we'll ever know is if someone tests my theory..
I'm tired of all the negativity I'm a attracting today.. I'm going to go relax.. mossy you ave my number..
the information is there, do with it wat you will.. Being stubborn and sticking to wat they tell you is no way to innovate and evolve..
maybe your all correct, and I'm a crazy acid fill retard.. or maybe I'm correct.. the only way we'll ever know is if someone tests my theory..
I'm tired of all the negativity I'm a attracting today.. I'm going to go relax.. mossy you ave my number..
generally its for reproduction.. but i like to play wif it sometimes..
@Mossboss - looking to hire someone at the Florida plant?JayDC wrote:my mind doesnt work that way, and never did..
the information is there, do with it wat you will.. Being stubborn and sticking to wat they tell you is no way to innovate and evolve..
maybe your all correct, and I'm a crazy acid fill retard.. or maybe I'm correct.. the only way we'll ever know is if someone tests my theory..
I'm tired of all the negativity I'm a attracting today.. I'm going to go relax.. mossy you ave my number..
@JayDC - No one is opposed to innovation. But, why try something you know won't work? I'm not going to try to evolve a square peg into a round hole if I know it won't fit. As was already pointed out, Helium was selected due to its thermodynamic properties. The medical grade is also a very clean gas with little impurities in it. That is what you want. Please don't call me an idiot. That is totally uncalled for...
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@Mossboss - PM'ing you details of a friend who is interested.
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