Some tips I was given by Peter King...

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Some tips I was given by Peter King...

Post: # 7014Unread post piaptk
Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:13 pm

In order to actually contribute something to the community, rather than just taking, I thought I would share some of the tips that I was given by Peter King in New Zealand when I started cutting:

1. STYLI: Peter actually uses sharpened Victrola needles to cut, rather than the Transco styli. He takes two dremel tools and has the needle in one, and a sharpener in the other and sharpens the points to 45 degrees. He says that he gets about 4 LPs out of a needle nefore it has to be resharpened.
2. WAX: Peter uses clear Lexan to cut on. He waxes them up with turtle wax and then polishes them right before he starts cutting them.
3. HEAT: He doesn't heat the stylus, instead he heats the Lexan with heatlamps as he is cutting it.
4. LABELS: He actually prints the labels onto the Permanent sticker paper and then cuts them out and puts a bunch onto a jig or something and grinds them down into a circle.
5. PICTURE DISCS: He prints out the image onto two sheets of regular paper, then affixes them to the back of two sheets of lexan using spray adhesive, and then glues the two sides together (so that pic discs are twice as thick as regular records).
6. WEIGHT: he uses .150kg weight on cutting head for the victrola needles.

Hopefully that will be of use to someone. :-)

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Post: # 7016Unread post Steve E.
Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:37 am

wow! that is awesome information! I will have to look into what "Lexan" is about.

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Post: # 7024Unread post piaptk
Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:51 am

Steve E. wrote:wow! that is awesome information! I will have to look into what "Lexan" is about.
Lexan is just the polycarbonate that some other people on here are already using. You can get it at Home Depot or Lowes. It's back with the windows and doors.

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Post: # 7030Unread post blacknwhite
Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:48 pm

Thanks piaptk. WOW, then you CAN cut lexan with sapphire, if you use thick enough surface lubricant (maybe petroleum jelly film would be sufficient rather than turtle wax, and preserve more of the high end) - Hmmm!!...

Anyone experimented with "greased lexan" cutting with sapphire?... Makes sense, as almost all kinds of industrial cutting of hard materials is done with some kind of lubricant...

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Post: # 7032Unread post piaptk
Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:15 pm

blacknwhite wrote:Thanks piaptk. WOW, then you CAN cut lexan with sapphire, if you use thick enough surface lubricant (maybe petroleum jelly film would be sufficient rather than turtle wax, and preserve more of the high end) - Hmmm!!...

Anyone experimented with "greased lexan" cutting with sapphire?... Makes sense, as almost all kinds of industrial cutting of hard materials is done with some kind of lubricant...

- Bob
Peter doesn't use sapphire, though, he uses steel Victrola needles. He did tell me that he has tried every lube imaginable and that Turtle Wax is hands down the best he's found.

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Post: # 7034Unread post Simon
Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:53 pm

Thanks Peter - you are a star!

Victrola needles or the needles used in a old wind up 78 player.
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Post: # 7035Unread post piaptk
Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:03 pm

Simon wrote:Thanks Peter - you are a star!

Victrola needles or the needles used in a old wind up 78 player.
It's those needles that you used to buy 100 in a little tin, and then you could only use for one play... Not sure of the specific name for them.

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Post: # 7036Unread post Simon
Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:10 pm

There all over the place - you can still buy them

Any cance of getting a picture under a microscope.
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Post: # 7037Unread post piaptk
Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:57 pm

Simon wrote:There all over the place - you can still buy them

Any cance of getting a picture under a microscope.
I have some needles he sharpened for me, unfortunately, I don't have a microscope, BUT I did just buy a USB microscope on ebay, so it will be here after the new year... then I'll post some pics.

Funny how super expensive this hobby gets (and how little I really care about spending the money).

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Post: # 7038Unread post Simon
Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:07 pm

Great

What about noise? from the cut.
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Post: # 7261Unread post piaptk
Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:44 am

Simon wrote:There all over the place - you can still buy them

Any cance of getting a picture under a microscope.
Here you go...

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Post: # 7269Unread post buckettovsissors
Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:11 am

Hi,
This is all very interesting and I have also gotten good cuts with steel.
My question is would something like this do for sharpening?

http://www.neckermann.de/Dremel%20Gravierer%20290/b092a8bdf161897c94687f0190f6d7f4a2af84b,de_DE,pd.html#dremel-gravierer-290

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Post: # 7271Unread post markrob
Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:31 am

Hi,

Thanks for posting the picture. I assume Peter King embosses rather than cuts Lexan. The tip appears to be conical, which would be the correct geomerty for embossing. I watched a Youtube video of him cutting and he tilts the head back about 45 degrees. Also correct for embossing. The video was hard to see, but I saw no evidence of a chip being generated.

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Embossing

Post: # 7282Unread post mossboss
Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:55 pm

And here is to you Mr Robinson
Correct again
He now (I am told) gangs up a number of them (cutting devices) like Eddisson used to do for "mass" production
I cannot see it done with the cost of a (normal cutter)
The sound coming out of his cuts does leave a lot to be desired
The ones I heard any way
Nevertheless he does provide a damn good service and has done so for years
Cheers
"The Vinyl Truth"
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Post: # 7289Unread post piaptk
Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:20 am

He has been getting better and better... I've used him for about five years, and some of the ones I've gotten recently have sounded pretty darn good.. I'd say about 80% as good as a professionally cut record. Then again, especially some of my older releases have been pretty lo-fi, which works fine for some of my artists... It always seemed like 50% sounded great, 25% sound pretty good, and 25% sounded pretty mediocre... but when the release is limited to 30 copies, the owner has a bit more tolerance.

And, as you say, he provides a great service to bands that can't sell more than a handfull of records, but whose early musical experiences are so tied to vinyl, and who fantasize about having a "record" with their music.

Plus, he is one of the nicest guys I've ever had the privilege of dealing with! Amazing...

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Post: # 7290Unread post piaptk
Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:22 am

He cut me a bunch of those needles, is there any way I can use them on my Presto 6n? I've tried them on my little GI home cutter and didn't have very good results at all.

It looks like the head carriage for my 6N can be laid out and the head mounted on the reverse side and done at an angle. So, I'll try that soon.
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Post: # 7436Unread post piaptk
Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:13 am

Here is another thing that he sent me about how to sharpen the needles...

I also talked to him tonight about the embossing, and his heads are at a 30 degree angle from the record surface.

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Post: # 7438Unread post tape
Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:48 am

would that be 30 degrees forwards or backwards?

thanks

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Post: # 7440Unread post piaptk
Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:21 am

tape wrote:would that be 30 degrees forwards or backwards?

thanks
Search Peter King lathe cut on youtube and you'll see some videos of him cutting...

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Post: # 7467Unread post piaptk
Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:00 am

Any idea how (if possible) to tilt a Presto 6N head back that far? I tried for a while... but had no luck.

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