VR cutting problem!Help
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VR cutting problem!Help
Hi Trolls,
Today i just set up my second hand VR system and try to do my very first cut.
meter shows a good level,tempature on 40 degree,cutterhead on 15g like everyone recommend,when i play the song,i can hear the music goes from cutterhead,it seems everthing is fine.
But when i finish the cutting and play the record,there is no music but only noise here......no any music is cutting in,super weird,it's i doing somthing wrong?
Help
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Today i just set up my second hand VR system and try to do my very first cut.
meter shows a good level,tempature on 40 degree,cutterhead on 15g like everyone recommend,when i play the song,i can hear the music goes from cutterhead,it seems everthing is fine.
But when i finish the cutting and play the record,there is no music but only noise here......no any music is cutting in,super weird,it's i doing somthing wrong?
Help
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update:i turn the amp gain to a very loud level then cut,now i can barely hear the music from grooves,but the noise still very loud cover everthing
*use QSC 700 amp,have some noise..
*use QSC 700 amp,have some noise..
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Hi - would like to help.
It'd be good to hear the playback of the test cut in order to understand what the noise is and what might be going on.
I suggest recording it, uploading to SoundCloud and linking to it here.
Speak soon...
It'd be good to hear the playback of the test cut in order to understand what the noise is and what might be going on.
I suggest recording it, uploading to SoundCloud and linking to it here.
Speak soon...
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Hey SueDenim,really thanks for your help in advance,here is the SoundCloud link:https://soundcloud.com/euh6m6osy6ei/vr-test-cutSueDenim wrote:Hi - would like to help.
It'd be good to hear the playback of the test cut in order to understand what the noise is and what might be going on.
I suggest recording it, uploading to SoundCloud and linking to it here.
Speak soon...
not only noise but also out of tune..
My chain:Computer-main unit-meter-amp-cutterhead
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Whoa! that is a bit messed up - let's see now...
OK, let's begin with the simple stuff:
1. If you make a cut without ANY audio going to the head and with your power amp OFF (called an unmodulated groove), what does it sound like?
i.e. Do you still have all the same sounding hiss/distortion even in, what should be, a silent groove?
2. When you are making a cut, is the swarf coming off the cutting stylus cleanly and being sucked away ok?
2.1. If there is very little swarf or none at all, confirm that you have the cutting stylus orientated in the right direction.
3. The wow ('out of tune' as you call it) is most likely being caused by a combination of cutting too deeply and your turntable not supplying enough torque to be able to do so.
Try lightening the cutting weight by a few grams.
Hope this helps a little
OK, let's begin with the simple stuff:
1. If you make a cut without ANY audio going to the head and with your power amp OFF (called an unmodulated groove), what does it sound like?
i.e. Do you still have all the same sounding hiss/distortion even in, what should be, a silent groove?
2. When you are making a cut, is the swarf coming off the cutting stylus cleanly and being sucked away ok?
2.1. If there is very little swarf or none at all, confirm that you have the cutting stylus orientated in the right direction.
3. The wow ('out of tune' as you call it) is most likely being caused by a combination of cutting too deeply and your turntable not supplying enough torque to be able to do so.
Try lightening the cutting weight by a few grams.
Hope this helps a little
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SueDenim wrote:Whoa! that is a bit messed up - let's see now...
OK, let's begin with the simple stuff:
1. If you make a cut without ANY audio going to the head and with your power amp OFF (called an unmodulated groove), what does it sound like?
i.e. Do you still have all the same sounding hiss/distortion even in, what should be, a silent groove?
2. When you are making a cut, is the swarf coming off the cutting stylus cleanly and being sucked away ok?
2.1. If there is very little swarf or none at all, confirm that you have the cutting stylus orientated in the right direction.
3. The wow ('out of tune' as you call it) is most likely being caused by a combination of cutting too deeply and your turntable not supplying enough torque to be able to do so.
Try lightening the cutting weight by a few grams.
Hope this helps a little
Thanks so much for your help!
1.cut without any audio like your advice,here is two link(amp on and amp off),both are not silent grooves
amp off:https://soundcloud.com/euh6m6osy6ei/vr-testcut-no-audioamp-off
amp on:https://soundcloud.com/euh6m6osy6ei/vr-testcut-no-audio
2.none at all,suction works great, a little bit loud
3.my turntable is 1200 mk3d,maybe it didnt have enough torque?anyway,i lightening the cutting weight
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Are you saying that there is NO swarf coming from the cutting stylus when you cut?2.none at all
There should be a very thin thread of material between the cutting stylus point and the suction tube - it can sometimes be tricky to see depending on the light!
If there is definitely no swarf when you cut, then you've probably got the cutting stylus in the wrong way around.
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oh no sorry ,what i mean is suction works fine,all the swarf is being sucked awaySueDenim wrote:Are you saying that there is NO swarf coming from the cutting stylus when you cut?2.none at all
There should be a very thin thread of material between the cutting stylus point and the suction tube - it can sometimes be tricky to see depending on the light!
If there is definitely no swarf when you cut, then you've probably got the cutting stylus in the wrong way around.
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Update:after lightening the cutting weight and change the stylus angle,noise less than before and sound smooth than before,but still very loud
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Is your stylus been heated??
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It looks like you have no oil in your dashpot- DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!! The plastic cylinder inside that springy thing the cutterhead is attached to - it should be full of oil. That will cause you all kinds of problems, including noise.
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Also, I strongly recommend getting rid of the felt mat from your turntable and switching to the thin rubber one that you should have.
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yes, around 15petermontg wrote:Is your stylus been heated??
Best
Peter
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oh,i have not notice that,is food oil ok?thanks so much for your helphandcut wrote:It looks like you have no oil in your dashpot- DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!! The plastic cylinder inside that springy thing the cutterhead is attached to - it should be full of oil. That will cause you all kinds of problems, including noise.
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sorry i have no idea which is the thin rubber one?handcut wrote:Also, I strongly recommend getting rid of the felt mat from your turntable and switching to the thin rubber one that you should have.
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No, don't use food oil. Use mineral oil.
When you buy a VR new from Souri, it comes with a thin rubber mat for the platter. I guess you could make one easy enough.
When you buy a VR new from Souri, it comes with a thin rubber mat for the platter. I guess you could make one easy enough.
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FA.BU.LOUS.JHL wrote: food oil ok?
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I suggest get a decent training first. You can't learn anything this way. The VR works great when all parameters are correct and even then it needs to be fine tuned. What you're doing makes no sense.
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Hey really thanks again for your help,i already bought a bottle mineral oil and full it .i change the mat to the rubber one too,and i do a textcut,still lots of noisehandcut wrote:No, don't use food oil. Use mineral oil.
When you buy a VR new from Souri, it comes with a thin rubber mat for the platter. I guess you could make one easy enough.
sounds like:https://soundcloud.com/euh6m6osy6ei/vr-textcut20180116
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yes,i understand.but i am a second hand buyer so i guess i wouldnt have any help from SouriTremdall wrote:I suggest get a decent training first. You can't learn anything this way. The VR works great when all parameters are correct and even then it needs to be fine tuned. What you're doing makes no sense.
i know it's hard to cut a decent record for newbie like me,but i am working on it ,try to learn and adjust everything from the youtube video and forum